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    New for old.........

    Hi all,

    I currently have a 2011, 20,000 mile 650 Executive which I have had from new - I absolutely love riding it. My only gripe is the excessive engine braking from around 12mph to stop.
    My question is - I have the opportunity to upgrade to a 2014 1,400 mile 650 Executive. Will I notice any real difference ?
    If one is to believe the publicity the engine and running gear is 'much improved' but is it ? I would be grateful for your thoughts especially from those who have owned both machines.
    If I do change I will be going from a black scooter to a black scooter so, apart from minor styling changes my main reason for change would be the improved ride.
    I look forward to your comments.
    Kind regards,

    Derek

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    Hi Derek
    I have owned both. Much less drag on the new generation. I like it, better mileage by about 5 more MPG. Not any faster. I liked the old bike and am very happy with the new. It will definitely improve your experience. Good luck.
    Harry

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry View Post
    better mileage by about 5 more MPG. Not any faster.
    One owner said the post 2013 model was slower. Slower to accelerate and slower in terms of top speed.

    I can understand how reducing transmission drag might alter acceleration from a stop light. I don't quite understand why it has an impact on top speed.

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    I have heard the same thing about speed, and to me its not true. I have more than 20,000 miles on the 13 and it goes just as fast as the 09. And the both have been to 120mph, and have both gotten there quickly. By the way, I don't have a death wish but I have ridden in very straight, flat remote roads where you can see miles around.

    Harry

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    Quote Originally Posted by derekcpearce View Post
    Hi all,

    I currently have a 2011, 20,000 mile 650 Executive which I have had from new - I absolutely love riding it. My only gripe is the excessive engine braking from around 12mph to stop.
    My question is - I have the opportunity to upgrade to a 2014 1,400 mile 650 Executive. Will I notice any real difference ?
    If one is to believe the publicity the engine and running gear is 'much improved' but is it ? I would be grateful for your thoughts especially from those who have owned both machines.
    If I do change I will be going from a black scooter to a black scooter so, apart from minor styling changes my main reason for change would be the improved ride.
    I look forward to your comments.
    Kind regards,

    Derek
    Hi Derek.
    I've got a 2017 model and have not ridden any other Burgman so my views are limited. As this is a public forum I will share what little I do know about the new model. I have also noticed the excessive braking but on mine, that only occurs if I leave it in the power mode. If left in the regular automatic drive mode it is not excessive. I rarely ever run mine out of the automatic mode. The electronic control does a great job of keeping things jigging and whizzing like they should without my input. Not sure of the absolute top end speed as yet. I did see a bit north of the century mark during a spirited passing session so it seems plenty fast enough for me. Same with acceleration. Way more than adequate in every situation I have encountered. I don't know if you will notice any real difference but if you liked the 2011 model, I am pretty sure you will like the newer ones even better. I've had black vehicles for decades and opted to wait for the faster white ones in 2017.
    Last edited by dcotop; 08-14-2017 at 08:35 AM.

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    Well, I am now the proud owner of a 2014, 1200 mile black Burgman Executive. Thank you to all of you for your advice and view points.
    I have to be honest but on the way to the dealers I was wondering why I was changing but on the way home on the new one I realised why. The drag has gone and the ride generally improved.
    It still feels a little strange as it doesn't seem to have the weight and substance of my 2011 one but I am sure I will get used to that.
    My only issue now - and it may very well be me - is that although it is much better when slowing down at low speed in that the sudden lurch has gone at around 12 mph the engine itself does not seem as smooth.
    I seem to have a slight vibration that I can feel through my feet and through the saddle when accelerating. I am hoping there is nothing wrong and it may be due to the redesign of the CVT or that the bike is not as heavy. It has only covered 1200 miles so hopefully nothing amiss.
    It is one of those characteristics that would be difficult for a non Burgman rider to identify - hence I don't think I would have much luck going back to the dealer.
    Your views would be welcome.
    Thanks to all.

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    I have also recently upgraded to a 2014 Burgman 650 from a 2011 Burgman 400. I have the same vibration issue you describe. Was wondering if it was in the tuning of the engine (as in syncing the rpms of each cylinder). I will be interested in what you find out.

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    Thanks for this Rog - at least you have put my mind at rest in that it is simply a characteristic of this newer model as opposed to there being anything wrong.
    It is a bit disappointing though bearing in mind how smooth our 2011 models were - low speed deceleration aside.
    I will see what I can find out with Suzuki so watch this space.
    If anyone else can help with a solution I would love to hear.
    Thanks to all,

    Derek

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