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Experienced Member | coolest_polar_bear Westfield, Indiana, USA 4:46 am June 1, 2010
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My top speed on the Bat Burgie (Kate) is the speed limit on whatever piece of road I may be traveling… 
I find that I have plenty of throttle left for "additional maneuvers" though… 
Yours,
C_P_B
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Founder and CEO of the Wild Weasels of Hamilton County Scooter Club – Living life a 1/4 mile at a time since 2008 – Isaiah 40:3-5; Proverbs 3:5-7
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New Member | Mike Florida 10:18 am May 31, 2010
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Hi to all.
I bought my 650 E in Orlando over a year ago. The Sales Manager told me one of the Suzuki factory people had the Burgman up to 123 MPH on the Daytona track, for Bike Week. Pretty fast for a scoot.
Regards and ride safe.
Mike
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 Moderator | Chet Blountville, TN 6:42 am May 31, 2010
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I have come to appreciate having some great internet support and looks
like the Burgman riders have it locked!
Burgman USA is not bad either.
http://www.burgmanusa.com/foru…..1c5cbdfd11
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From the hills of Tennessee welcome to another beautiful day the Lord has made.
I own a 2005 Silver Burgman 400 and 1982 Honda Silverwing GL500I
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Junior Member | gsinnc Charlotte NC USA 5:24 am May 31, 2010
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Daboo said:
gsinnc said:
Well as a someone who does not currently own a Burgman but certainly hopes to in the future I can tell you "top speed" is important to me. Not at all from a perspective of wanted to go that fast or even necessarily close to the top speed. But it is important to me since whether I like it or not some of my riding will be interstate and highway.
It sounds like you are set on having a 650, and that's fine. A member of BurgmanUSA, micbergsma (Mitch), took several trips on his 07 Burgman 400 last summer. One was from his home in Austin, TX to New York with his girl-friend. Another from Austin to Florida. And the last from Austin to Blaine, WA near the Canadian border. The longest day's mileage was when he rode over 1400 miles. Obviously, that was on the freeway and in plenty of places where people do more than the speed limit.
The 650's top speed is only 10 mph more than the 400. If you're riding by yourself on the bike, the 400 has plenty of power. As I wrote earlier, I had mine up to 98 mph and it was still accelerating.
Chris
Yes ….. I am quite certain the 650 is the only scoot that would meet my needs for power and size since in addition to wanted enough power for highways and long trips I am 6'3" tall. When I demo rode the Burgmans at Americade a couple years back I found the 650 to be the most comfortable and had adequate leg room. Also, I really like the i amenities included on the 650 Exec. …. ABS, Power windshield, etc. Since I am in no hurry I am just watching all the sites right now to learn about the Burgman scoots and to keep my eyes open for the right 650. Thanks! This and Burgman USA are great sites. Owning BMW's since 2000 I have come to appreciate having some great internet support and looks like the Burgman riders have it locked!
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Junior Member | rose.d U.K. 5:52 pm May 30, 2010
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rose.d said:
rose.d said:
Henry_C said:
gsinnc said:
…..I can tell you "top speed" is important to me……. some of my riding will be interstate and highway……
You will have no trouble with a 650 on the Highways, Ed. Like you I wanted to be sure that the scoot I bought was capable of sufficient speed to match the traffic speeds on major routes and still have power and speed available to "get out of trouble" should it arise? The 650 easily does that and with comfort and style too. In Britain our Motorways are (usually!) high speed routes with a legal max of 70mph but where motorists regularly cruise at 80 – 85mph. I have no problems at all matching the traffic in those situations and still have bags of power in hand, much to some motorists' surprise!
Go ahead and buy your 650 – you certainly won't regret it, especially as you will probably benefit from the Executive extras like ABS, electric windshield, mirrors, and grip and seat heaters, which I sadly lack on my standard K3 model. I would recommend an NEP cruise control for the highway too – available from Aerostitch, contactable through service@aerostich.com (They are a US-based company)
Daboo said:
rose.d said:
what would be a safe 'running in' period and speed for new AN400?
Some people advocate a "Ride It Like I Stole It" (RILISI) technique. I prefer riding it like I own it…and have to pay for anything that breaks.
The salesman that sold me two scooters told me when I picked up the first one and asked about keeping the rpms down, that with a CVT it was impossible to do. I think he's mostly right. The next day after getting mine, I was traveling down the I-5 freeway from the north end of Seattle to the south end. The biggest thing to keep in mind is to vary the rpms when you initially get the bike.
The Burgman 400 has had a lot of past issues with a squealing clutch. I think that is brought upon by babying the throttle when you accelerate from a stop. The only way to follow Suzuki's break-in recommendation of keeping the throttle below 4000 rpms is to baby it…and glaze your clutch pads.
If you take it too easy on the throttle, you prolong the time the clutch pads are slipping on the clutch bell and build up heat. If you "floor" the throttle, you make the rpms too high and the clutch pads slip as they try to get 470lbs of scooter plus rider moving. Both techniques result in high amounts of heat in the clutch and cause the clutch pads to glaze.
If you simply blip the throttle to 4000 rpms, the clutch pads will engage quickly and once the bike begins moving, you can adjust your speed for the conditions.
Chris
thanks for that chris.
dave rose.
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Junior Member | rose.d U.K. 5:48 pm May 30, 2010
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rose.d said:
Henry_C said:
gsinnc said:
…..I can tell you "top speed" is important to me……. some of my riding will be interstate and highway……
You will have no trouble with a 650 on the Highways, Ed. Like you I wanted to be sure that the scoot I bought was capable of sufficient speed to match the traffic speeds on major routes and still have power and speed available to "get out of trouble" should it arise? The 650 easily does that and with comfort and style too. In Britain our Motorways are (usually!) high speed routes with a legal max of 70mph but where motorists regularly cruise at 80 – 85mph. I have no problems at all matching the traffic in those situations and still have bags of power in hand, much to some motorists' surprise!
Go ahead and buy your 650 – you certainly won't regret it, especially as you will probably benefit from the Executive extras like ABS, electric windshield, mirrors, and grip and seat heaters, which I sadly lack on my standard K3 model. I would recommend an NEP cruise control for the highway too – available from Aerostitch, contactable through service@aerostich.com (They are a US-based company)
Daboo said:
rose.d said:
what would be a safe 'running in' period and speed for new AN400?
Some people advocate a "Ride It Like I Stole It" (RILISI) technique. I prefer riding it like I own it…and have to pay for anything that breaks.
The salesman that sold me two scooters told me when I picked up the first one and asked about keeping the rpms down, that with a CVT it was impossible to do. I think he's mostly right. The next day after getting mine, I was traveling down the I-5 freeway from the north end of Seattle to the south end. The biggest thing to keep in mind is to vary the rpms when you initially get the bike.
The Burgman 400 has had a lot of past issues with a squealing clutch. I think that is brought upon by babying the throttle when you accelerate from a stop. The only way to follow Suzuki's break-in recommendation of keeping the throttle below 4000 rpms is to baby it…and glaze your clutch pads.
If you take it too easy on the throttle, you prolong the time the clutch pads are slipping on the clutch bell and build up heat. If you "floor" the throttle, you make the rpms too high and the clutch pads slip as they try to get 470lbs of scooter plus rider moving. Both techniques result in high amounts of heat in the clutch and cause the clutch pads to glaze.
If you simply blip the throttle to 4000 rpms, the clutch pads will engage quickly and once the bike begins moving, you can adjust your speed for the conditions.
Chris
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Junior Member | rose.d U.K. 5:46 pm May 30, 2010
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rose.d said:
Henry_C said:
gsinnc said:
…..I can tell you "top speed" is important to me……. some of my riding will be interstate and highway……
You will have no trouble with a 650 on the Highways, Ed. Like you I wanted to be sure that the scoot I bought was capable of sufficient speed to match the traffic speeds on major routes and still have power and speed available to "get out of trouble" should it arise? The 650 easily does that and with comfort and style too. In Britain our Motorways are (usually!) high speed routes with a legal max of 70mph but where motorists regularly cruise at 80 – 85mph. I have no problems at all matching the traffic in those situations and still have bags of power in hand, much to some motorists' surprise!
Go ahead and buy your 650 – you certainly won't regret it, especially as you will probably benefit from the Executive extras like ABS, electric windshield, mirrors, and grip and seat heaters, which I sadly lack on my standard K3 model. I would recommend an NEP cruise control for the highway too – available from Aerostitch, contactable through service@aerostich.com (They are a US-based company)
Daboo said:
rose.d said:
what would be a safe 'running in' period and speed for new AN400?
Some people advocate a "Ride It Like I Stole It" (RILISI) technique. I prefer riding it like I own it…and have to pay for anything that breaks.
The salesman that sold me two scooters told me when I picked up the first one and asked about keeping the rpms down, that with a CVT it was impossible to do. I think he's mostly right. The next day after getting mine, I was traveling down the I-5 freeway from the north end of Seattle to the south end. The biggest thing to keep in mind is to vary the rpms when you initially get the bike.
The Burgman 400 has had a lot of past issues with a squealing clutch. I think that is brought upon by babying the throttle when you accelerate from a stop. The only way to follow Suzuki's break-in recommendation of keeping the throttle below 4000 rpms is to baby it…and glaze your clutch pads.
If you take it too easy on the throttle, you prolong the time the clutch pads are slipping on the clutch bell and build up heat. If you "floor" the throttle, you make the rpms too high and the clutch pads slip as they try to get 470lbs of scooter plus rider moving. Both techniques result in high amounts of heat in the clutch and cause the clutch pads to glaze.
If you simply blip the throttle to 4000 rpms, the clutch pads will engage quickly and once the bike begins moving, you can adjust your speed for the conditions.
Chris
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Junior Member | rose.d U.K. 5:45 pm May 30, 2010
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Daboo said:
rose.d said:
what would be a safe 'running in' period and speed for new AN400?
Some people advocate a "Ride It Like I Stole It" (RILISI) technique. I prefer riding it like I own it…and have to pay for anything that breaks.
The salesman that sold me two scooters told me when I picked up the first one and asked about keeping the rpms down, that with a CVT it was impossible to do. I think he's mostly right. The next day after getting mine, I was traveling down the I-5 freeway from the north end of Seattle to the south end. The biggest thing to keep in mind is to vary the rpms when you initially get the bike.
The Burgman 400 has had a lot of past issues with a squealing clutch. I think that is brought upon by babying the throttle when you accelerate from a stop. The only way to follow Suzuki's break-in recommendation of keeping the throttle below 4000 rpms is to baby it…and glaze your clutch pads.
If you take it too easy on the throttle, you prolong the time the clutch pads are slipping on the clutch bell and build up heat. If you "floor" the throttle, you make the rpms too high and the clutch pads slip as they try to get 470lbs of scooter plus rider moving. Both techniques result in high amounts of heat in the clutch and cause the clutch pads to glaze.
If you simply blip the throttle to 4000 rpms, the clutch pads will engage quickly and once the bike begins moving, you can adjust your speed for the conditions.
Chris
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Junior Member | rose.d U.K. 5:40 pm May 30, 2010
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Henry_C said:
gsinnc said:
…..I can tell you "top speed" is important to me……. some of my riding will be interstate and highway……
You will have no trouble with a 650 on the Highways, Ed. Like you I wanted to be sure that the scoot I bought was capable of sufficient speed to match the traffic speeds on major routes and still have power and speed available to "get out of trouble" should it arise? The 650 easily does that and with comfort and style too. In Britain our Motorways are (usually!) high speed routes with a legal max of 70mph but where motorists regularly cruise at 80 – 85mph. I have no problems at all matching the traffic in those situations and still have bags of power in hand, much to some motorists' surprise!
Go ahead and buy your 650 – you certainly won't regret it, especially as you will probably benefit from the Executive extras like ABS, electric windshield, mirrors, and grip and seat heaters, which I sadly lack on my standard K3 model. I would recommend an NEP cruise control for the highway too – available from Aerostitch, contactable through service@aerostich.com (They are a US-based company)
Daboo said:
rose.d said:
what would be a safe 'running in' period and speed for new AN400?
Some people advocate a "Ride It Like I Stole It" (RILISI) technique. I prefer riding it like I own it…and have to pay for anything that breaks.
The salesman that sold me two scooters told me when I picked up the first one and asked about keeping the rpms down, that with a CVT it was impossible to do. I think he's mostly right. The next day after getting mine, I was traveling down the I-5 freeway from the north end of Seattle to the south end. The biggest thing to keep in mind is to vary the rpms when you initially get the bike.
The Burgman 400 has had a lot of past issues with a squealing clutch. I think that is brought upon by babying the throttle when you accelerate from a stop. The only way to follow Suzuki's break-in recommendation of keeping the throttle below 4000 rpms is to baby it…and glaze your clutch pads.
If you take it too easy on the throttle, you prolong the time the clutch pads are slipping on the clutch bell and build up heat. If you "floor" the throttle, you make the rpms too high and the clutch pads slip as they try to get 470lbs of scooter plus rider moving. Both techniques result in high amounts of heat in the clutch and cause the clutch pads to glaze.
If you simply blip the throttle to 4000 rpms, the clutch pads will engage quickly and once the bike begins moving, you can adjust your speed for the conditions.
Chris
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New Member | Daboo Seattle 12:02 pm May 30, 2010
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gsinnc said:
Well as a someone who does not currently own a Burgman but certainly hopes to in the future I can tell you "top speed" is important to me. Not at all from a perspective of wanted to go that fast or even necessarily close to the top speed. But it is important to me since whether I like it or not some of my riding will be interstate and highway.
It sounds like you are set on having a 650, and that's fine. A member of BurgmanUSA, micbergsma (Mitch), took several trips on his 07 Burgman 400 last summer. One was from his home in Austin, TX to New York with his girl-friend. Another from Austin to Florida. And the last from Austin to Blaine, WA near the Canadian border. The longest day's mileage was when he rode over 1400 miles. Obviously, that was on the freeway and in plenty of places where people do more than the speed limit.
The 650's top speed is only 10 mph more than the 400. If you're riding by yourself on the bike, the 400 has plenty of power. As I wrote earlier, I had mine up to 98 mph and it was still accelerating.
Chris
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Barak – 2007 Suzuki Burgman 400 (AN400K7)
Highest MPG=74.4
Current MPG Avg.=64
True Rounder = 0-20's – Rounder to 100's+ Red Hot Rounder
John 14:6
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New Member | Daboo Seattle 11:54 am May 30, 2010
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rose.d said:
what would be a safe 'running in' period and speed for new AN400?
Some people advocate a "Ride It Like I Stole It" (RILISI) technique. I prefer riding it like I own it…and have to pay for anything that breaks.
The salesman that sold me two scooters told me when I picked up the first one and asked about keeping the rpms down, that with a CVT it was impossible to do. I think he's mostly right. The next day after getting mine, I was traveling down the I-5 freeway from the north end of Seattle to the south end. The biggest thing to keep in mind is to vary the rpms when you initially get the bike.
The Burgman 400 has had a lot of past issues with a squealing clutch. I think that is brought upon by babying the throttle when you accelerate from a stop. The only way to follow Suzuki's break-in recommendation of keeping the throttle below 4000 rpms is to baby it…and glaze your clutch pads.
If you take it too easy on the throttle, you prolong the time the clutch pads are slipping on the clutch bell and build up heat. If you "floor" the throttle, you make the rpms too high and the clutch pads slip as they try to get 470lbs of scooter plus rider moving. Both techniques result in high amounts of heat in the clutch and cause the clutch pads to glaze.
If you simply blip the throttle to 4000 rpms, the clutch pads will engage quickly and once the bike begins moving, you can adjust your speed for the conditions.
Chris
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Barak – 2007 Suzuki Burgman 400 (AN400K7)
Highest MPG=74.4
Current MPG Avg.=64
True Rounder = 0-20's – Rounder to 100's+ Red Hot Rounder
John 14:6
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Moderator | Henry_C The Sunrise Coast, Lowestoft, England 10:33 am May 30, 2010
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gsinnc said:
…..I can tell you "top speed" is important to me……. some of my riding will be interstate and highway……
You will have no trouble with a 650 on the Highways, Ed. Like you I wanted to be sure that the scoot I bought was capable of sufficient speed to match the traffic speeds on major routes and still have power and speed available to "get out of trouble" should it arise? The 650 easily does that and with comfort and style too. In Britain our Motorways are (usually!) high speed routes with a legal max of 70mph but where motorists regularly cruise at 80 – 85mph. I have no problems at all matching the traffic in those situations and still have bags of power in hand, much to some motorists' surprise!
Go ahead and buy your 650 – you certainly won't regret it, especially as you will probably benefit from the Executive extras like ABS, electric windshield, mirrors, and grip and seat heaters, which I sadly lack on my standard K3 model. I would recommend an NEP cruise control for the highway too – available from Aerostitch, contactable through service@aerostich.com (They are a US-based company)
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Moderator | Chet Blountville, TN 10:02 am May 30, 2010
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One of the members of the Burgman USA site named Big Foot rode from Key West, Fl to his home in Ohio in 22 hours time and averaged about 65 mph.
To me that is nuts but he loves to ride his scooter. Why he did not get a ticket is hard to believe. You would have trouble driving a car and getting that kind of time.
The 650 will go fast enough.
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From the hills of Tennessee welcome to another beautiful day the Lord has made.
I own a 2005 Silver Burgman 400 and 1982 Honda Silverwing GL500I
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Junior Member | gsinnc Charlotte NC USA 6:49 am May 30, 2010
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Well as a someone who does not currently own a Burgman but certainly hopes to in the future I can tell you "top speed" is important to me. Not at all from a perspective of wanted to go that fast or even necessarily close to the top speed. But it is important to me since whether I like it or not some of my riding will be interstate and highway. I live in NC where the Interstate speeds are 65 and 70 MPH and where traffic flows at about the limit +5 MPH. Therefore, it would be important to me to know the top speed is at a level where I can run say 75 MPH and still be able to pass or "get out of trouble" if I need to. I am considering the 650 and not the 400 so I am pretty sure I will be fine. So when someone asks the Top Speed it may be a very valid question and not really someone looking to try and actually go the top speed. I can tell you I currently ride a BMW R1150GS and BMW R1200RT and not sure what the top speeds are … over 110 MPH I am sure. But I like that when rolling down the interstate at 75-80 MPH and just "keeping up" I am not running wide open and I still have some power if I need to get out of trouble.
I fully agree speed kills and that folks in general need to slow down. I know as I get older and wiser I am slowing down too!
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Junior Member | rose.d U.K. 5:59 am May 30, 2010
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Daboo said:
I've had my 07 Burgman 400 to 98 mph and it was still accelerating. The bike was nice and stable and looked like it had plenty of capablity to make it to the stated max speed of 105 mph…which wasn't that far away.
Since that was by accident (I wasn't trying to find the top speed), I doubt I'll ever have it that fast again. It does plenty good on any road I've been on.
Chris
what would be a safe 'running in' period and speed for new AN400?
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Moderator | Henry_C The Sunrise Coast, Lowestoft, England 5:30 pm May 29, 2010
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Well I happen to know my 650 will run in excess of 100mph but it took me by surprise! These machines will really shift when you ask them to!! So be careful out there! There isn't really any case for travelling at that speed but like everyone says, I guess it's nice to know you can if you so choose?
Now, don't start on about whether the speedo reads correctly or not!
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Advanced Member | alto1_3 Gosport, Hampshire, England. 4:46 pm May 29, 2010
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It's an interesting thread.
But why did George ask the question, in the first place.?
Instead of trying it out for himself, if he's THAT interested.
Especially as he used to race.
He's expecting other's to come up with the answer, FOR him.
But it's just NOT the same. Is it.!
Bernard asked, why are we all so concerned about speed.?
Yet he tried it for himself, "just to see", anyway.
So, why do you think, Bernard.?
And Chris came out with a load of Power to Weight ratio guff, and THEN said, "don't sweat it, just ride it". But he didn't.
Most, if not all of us, want to know that same question.
So suck it, and see, I say. And let us all, know.
I did. Thats me (Burgermiser), before the name change.
Alan.
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New Member | Daboo Seattle 1:41 am May 29, 2010
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I've had my 07 Burgman 400 to 98 mph and it was still accelerating. The bike was nice and stable and looked like it had plenty of capablity to make it to the stated max speed of 105 mph…which wasn't that far away.
Since that was by accident (I wasn't trying to find the top speed), I doubt I'll ever have it that fast again. It does plenty good on any road I've been on.
Chris
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Barak – 2007 Suzuki Burgman 400 (AN400K7)
Highest MPG=74.4
Current MPG Avg.=64
True Rounder = 0-20's – Rounder to 100's+ Red Hot Rounder
John 14:6
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New Member | QZephyr Sioux City, Iowa USA 8:35 pm May 27, 2010
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Terry B. said:
These top speeds have been hashed many times on BurgmanUSA.
My 2006 AN400 had a top speed of 90mph verified by 2 separate GPS units. At wide open throttle, (nothing left) for a 1 mile run, the 400 speedo matched my GPS.
However, I now own a 2007 650 Exec with 21,810 miles on it, (all mine) and with GPS, show a top speed of 109mph while the digital readout says 115mph. This is about right for the 650.
If anyone says they are hitting 100+mph on their 400, they are in a dream world of wishfull thinking, or going down a 10% grade at wide open throttle. Other wise, most owner's I know, get around 90mph.
Terry B
2007 and up AN400's have the full 400 and were also tweeked out. Most likely a light weight person could get close to 100 mph.
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Advanced Member | MLSCW Central Arkansas 1:19 pm May 26, 2010
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cmfernandez9283 said:
… if Godzilla were attacking your city and you needed to hall ass as fast as possible. As far as necessary power goes, the Burgmen have it where counts.
With me at a feather weight 145 lbs. … However, with myself and my girlfriend on it, a combined 300 lbs., …
Hey Chris
Does your girlfriend know that you just told everyone that you think she weighs 155 lbs? AND that you EX girlfriend weights 119 lbs?
Oh, if Godzilla shows up in Central Arkansas… I won't be looking at how fast I'm going.
Sandy 
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"Watch out! I'm on the road!"
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